S2E1: Telepathy and the Wisdom of Non-Speaking Autistic Children
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[00:00:00] Doc Sibson: Welcome to Divergent Wisdom Broadcast, where curiosity reveals the endless aspects of convergence between science and spirituality. Join me, Doc Sibson, as we explore new perspectives with our guests, bridging the space between worlds to discover paradigm shifting common ground. It's time to get rebellious.
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[00:00:31] Doc Sibson: Hello, and welcome to Divergent Wisdom Broadcast today. I am very, very excited to share with you a conversation that myself and this wonderful human being are about to unfold together. I have Suzy Miller here with me today from, the beautiful Arizona in the United States, who, for my Australian listeners,
[00:01:04] you guys get to go do some geography hunting on a map because I'm guessing they have no idea where that is. I'm so happy you're able to join me, um, this morning for me, Suzy, and this afternoon for you. And I'd just love to welcome you to this space together.
[00:01:21] Suzy Miller: Thank you for having me. I'm excited. It's great conversation to be had. Thank you.
[00:01:27] Doc Sibson: Well, I would love to start us off by asking you a bit about your background and what's brought you into the type of work that you are doing today. And then we can see where things take us from there.
[00:01:45] Suzy Miller: Sounds great. So, yeah, my, um, now infamous story, I think, is the pediatric speech language pathologist turned multi-dimensional communicator and integration specialist. And that happened, um, back in 1999 when I was in private practice and I went to see a little boy diagnosed with Autism,
[00:02:13] um, in his daycare center, and he, I didn't know it when I walked in, but I knew it when I walked out that he had rocked my world, really, um, really changed everything. I basically walked in to see him, and he was saying, "it's the millennium, it's 1999," and he kind of had this rote language and this rote way of, um, walking and talking and all that. And as I walked in, he walked right up to me and he made direct eye contact with me and he said, "master."
[00:02:48] And when he said master, I didn't know what the heck he was talking about and I didn't know who he was talking to, but I had this cascade of energy that just ran down through my body. I was like, what was that? And I remember thinking, who's the master here? You know, what's going on? So I took him to the back of the daycare center.
[00:03:12] And, mind you, when I got my speech pathology degree, my master's degree in 1986, Autism was like 1 in 10,000, so we got no training in Autism. So, I really didn't know what to do with this kid, and I'm kind of, to this day, very grateful that I didn't. I took him in the, um, back room, and we were gonna work, you know, in that room.
[00:03:39] And he's still marching around saying "it's the millennium, it's 1999." So I sat in front of the door so I could give him some space to get to know me, and me get to know him. And as I was sitting there, I see, above this little boy, um, what I now know was his light body, but it was a, it was like a little cutout of, same shape as his body, but it was like bright white light.
[00:04:10] And from the light body to the physical body, there was only one connection. And that connection was like a little tail off the foot of the light body, that came right down into the top of his head and kind of just dangled in the heart. I kept rubbing my eyes, trying to get it to go away. I didn't know what I was seeing.
[00:04:34] Um, it didn't go away. And so finally, just out of sheer like, "oh my gosh, I think I'm losing it." You know, what am I, what is this? I just asked that obvious question. And when I asked, "What am I seeing?" I heard this little boy's voice in my head. And he said, "that's my light body. You're here to put my light body back into my physical body."
[00:05:01] So, I left that day from the, I walked in a speech language pathologist and I don't know what I walked out as, but it was, I, yeah, I was confused, and excited, and overwhelmed, but what I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that whatever had just happened had completely rocked my world. It completely was gonna change the trajectory of my work. And for whatever reason, I knew that the minute he said it and I finally had the opportunity to go out and sit in my car and um, yeah. So yeah, big shift.
[00:05:42] Doc Sibson: Yeah, yeah. And in an instant.
[00:05:45] Suzy Miller: In an instant. Yeah.
[00:05:47] Doc Sibson: So as you're sitting in your car afterwards, what was running through your mind?
[00:05:51] Because I, you know, I heard you say that you just instantly knew that everything was different.
[00:05:55] But I have experienced myself a few moments where I just think, "okay, well, that's obviously a turning point," but then the human comes in and it wants to do its thinking thing. So what was happening for you in that moment?
[00:06:10] Suzy Miller: Yeah, definitely some of that. I was, at the time that happened, I had a friend that went to Barbara Brennan's Hands of Light, energy medicine school here in the United States. And so I, I knew that I at least had somebody to talk to about what I saw. And so it's kind of excited and anxious to get to go home and call Ann and just see what was going on.
[00:06:41] And I did, and it was great, because at the beginning, she could say, this is what you saw, and, you know, go to page so and so in Barbara Brennan's Hands of Light, and you'll see what you were seeing. And that actually went on, she and I did that together for quite some time. And then I remember this one day going to her and saying, Ann, I go, "I saw this, you know, what page is that on?" Kind of thing,
[00:07:10] and she said, yeah, that's not in the book. She goes, I think that's where you start writing your own books. And I thought, OK. But that, that whole first year, really, Sarah, was, that was a rollercoaster ride, I gotta say, because although I had my friend Ann to, you know, talk me through some of it, what was more challenging is that when he opened me up and said that I was there to put his light body back into his physical body, what he didn't tell me was, all the resources, all the resources in spirit that I had, or all the skill sets that I had that I didn't remember.
[00:07:52] Those were all going to come rushing back within that first year as well. And so, it was, um, in retrospect, it's like I should have sat in that car for a little bit longer.
[00:08:05] Doc Sibson: Maybe not gotten out again.
[00:08:07] Suzy Miller: But nevertheless, it was, yeah, it was good.
[00:08:10] Doc Sibson: So it sounds like the first year following that visit with Riley, then it was the drinking from the fire hose analogy of remembering and discovering a whole bunch of things. So I'd really be interested to hear how you navigated the transition from purely, you know, clinical practice, uh, traditional science training and working in those systems and structures, to how you kind of balanced and wove together that new experience into what you had been doing up until that stage.
[00:08:51] Suzy Miller: Yeah, I mean, as you can imagine, I mean, there were days that, you know, I navigated that fairly well, and other days, more often than not, that I navigated it not so well, you know. It was really all-encompassing, I would say, for that first year, because, you know, I had different guides and different support teams coming to me, I was being taught
[00:09:18] everything from light language to how to work in different dimensional fields to remembering, um, this one woman came in and taught me how to work with like laser hands, almost like psychic surgery kind of thing. There was so much. So much that came in all at the same time and I, I mean, to the point where I was like, literally getting up in the middle of the night because there would be someone or something sitting at the end of my bed, teaching me something and my husband's laying next to me and like, kind of going, "what are you doing?"
[00:09:52] You know, it's like, so on a very practical level, it just looked weird. You know, and I totally understand that. I was blessed because my kids went to a Waldorf school at the time, and so there was a, there was an interest in energy and that kind of, you know, the unseen and things like that there. So there were some people that I could share with.
[00:10:20] And they would give me some information back as well, but the more challenging part was my colleagues, you know, I, my professional colleagues were pretty dismissive. I got to say, you know, within that. And have been, I would say, unless they developed into some of these same kind of skill sets, which many have at this point. It was hard because I was so excited to say that these kids aren't who we think they are and tell them about this.
[00:10:54] But when I would try to do that, they would, um, they didn't like that at all. You know, it just was too far of a jump for them, which I completely understand. I mean, it was a pretty far jump for me. And if I hadn't been living it, I wouldn't have believed it either. I'm definitely one of those see it to believe it kind of people.
[00:11:14] And so they showed it to me.
[00:11:17] Doc Sibson: They knew what you needed to see.
[00:11:20] Suzy Miller: Yeah. So, yeah, it was challenging. Yeah.
[00:11:26] Doc Sibson: I think that is probably the best word for it, being nice. When you're talking about that black and white difference between something that is rainbow and all these things that we can't see on the visible light spectrum would be a good label for the new experience and then the rigidity and doctrine and dogma of a lot of the classical thinking and science, which fortunately, like you said there, it's changing, it's evolving.
[00:11:58] And that's why we're even able to have this conversation at all. But I still think there is still a very stark contrast between those approaches, and it can really kind of dehumanize our interactions, I think, when people are just so invested in one kind of approach or viewpoint. So it can yeah, it'd be really isolating when you run up against that.
[00:12:25] Suzy Miller: Yeah, absolutely. And I, I think the other thing that everybody that I've talked to that had like some big spiritual experience or some blowout, you know, moment. I think what we don't take into consideration is how it impacts, like, just daily life, you know. And I think that's why a lot of people might have a big experience, but they kind of stuff it back in a box somewhere, or they try to minimise it.
[00:12:53] Because, as you can imagine, I went in that day, a pediatric speech language pathologist, and my husband at the time was literally building me an office so I could see clients in our home. And by the time that year was up, I had a full time healing practice. I never once saw a speech pathology client there.
[00:13:14] So, you know, you've got people in your life that love you and know you in a certain way, and then all of a sudden you have all these different interests and all these different ideas, and quite frankly, talking like a crazy person sometimes, or what it would sound like.
[00:13:30] Doc Sibson: It does feel like it, doesn't it?
[00:13:32] Suzy Miller: I felt a little that way myself.
[00:13:34] Doc Sibson: Yeah, yeah. And that can really shift things for everybody around you in that instant as well. And it's not something that they. well, not that you saw it coming, but, uh, it's even more of a blindside if you didn't have the experience. It's the person that you care about that's suddenly transforming in front of you.
[00:13:52] Suzy Miller: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So those kinds of things take their toll, but it's, it's one of those things in retrospect, you know, that's what was all designed to happen. It was, this is what I was designed to do. Other people have other things that they're designed to do. And yeah, it's just moving through the minutia of, um, being a human being and trying to take all that in, so.
[00:14:18] Doc Sibson: Yeah, absolutely. And I think it is the challenging way to have that happen. So I'm always so impressed when I have someone like yourself that has that just single instant transformative pivot point in their journey that then unfolds in that way, because so many of us get to have little snippets and kind of stepping stones to ease into the transition a bit more smoothly.
[00:14:47] Suzy Miller: I always recommend that. Yeah.
[00:14:49] Doc Sibson: Exactly. It's less painful, I think.
[00:14:51] Suzy Miller: Yeah. I just needed the two by four for some reason. Yeah.
[00:14:56] Doc Sibson: So you went on to work with autistic kids specifically in the longer term in the new work and practice that you developed. Um, so could you tell me a bit more about how that looked and how that unfolded for you in that arena too? Because it's not only spirituality that became your focus, but also neurodivergence in particular within your previous kind of profession.
[00:15:21] Suzy Miller: Yeah, within that first year, like I said, I still had the credentials to be a speech pathologist and all that other stuff. But as I was talking to different people, especially at the Waldorf school, people started bringing their kids to me. And that's how I ended up with a full time healing practice, almost
[00:15:41] instantaneously, because people just started coming. And the other thing that I noticed at the same time is I was getting more and more, people on my caseload that were autistic. So I was still going out and seeing people pretending to be a speech pathologist, at home my office was energy healing, you know, that's all that went on there.
[00:16:05] But what I noticed is like, all of a sudden I was getting more and more kids diagnosed on the spectrum. And, as that progressed, the other thing that started to happen is like, even like I'd be at the grocery store, I'd be at the bookstore and, and all of a sudden I turn around and there's, there's another kid on the spectrum.
[00:16:26] I was like going, oh my God, they're following me everywhere. And so that went on like that until, in 2008 I wrote Awesomism: A New Way to Understand the Diagnosis of Autism, and I wrote it because at the time, part of my work was as a lead therapist for a therapy company. And I was telling the
[00:16:49] owner of the therapy company about some of my experiences and she goes, oh, my gosh, you need to write this book. And so I thought, maybe I do, maybe I just need to get it out there and say it, you know, and maybe that'll be therapeutic and everything else. So I did. I wrote it, got it out there. And that was in 2008.
[00:17:13] And once that happened, I was floored, honestly, Sarah, because, you know, it's one of those things where you write it for yourself. You think everybody's going to think you're crazy. Because everybody has said that up to this point. But just get it out there, push the button. And I remember pushing the button, putting it out on Facebook or whatever at the time and the next morning, waking up and having hundreds of emails from people all over the world saying that they had had similar
[00:17:43] kinds of experiences with the kids, but they didn't know whether they were crazy. They didn't know what was going on. They didn't have any language for it. And so I had all these people asking, you know, can you train us? Or could you support us? Could you help us? I thought, yeah, okay. So the next thing we did was we just started a practitioner process.
[00:18:11] And that was great. I took about 300 people through that process. And that was great, but it was the first time that I recognised that this wasn't like an isolated phenomenon that was happening in Suzy's life.
[00:18:26] You know, this was a much bigger thing, and God, we get to all these years later, and it's a much, much bigger, you know, platform. These kids are, yeah, there's so much going on now. It's, I'm jumping ahead, but it's so exciting.
[00:18:46] Doc Sibson: Yeah, absolutely. I know that's the thing, isn't it? It's hard to reign in the excitement when there's something that really,
[00:18:53] Suzy Miller: Yeah, when it's really taking off.
[00:18:55] Doc Sibson: Yeah, exactly. Oh, well, that's I resonate with so much of what you're saying about, oh, you just do it to kind of work through the process in your own way and solidify some of your experience and incorporate it in a physical thing in front of you and then expect no one to read it or pay any attention to it.
[00:19:16] So that's quite a shift in expectations and outlook and moving from being a clinician in you know, one on one traditional interactions with your clients, switching into being a teacher and a mentor, it sounds like, and someone that led the way for others, showed them a path that they could use to understand their own process is also another big shift.
[00:19:47] Suzy Miller: Yeah, it's like taking on a completely different role. And, you know, by 2008, now it's full time multidimensional communicator and integration specialist. And by 2010, it was like, okay, now I can, I can literally like, let go of my license. I can let go of my affiliations with organisations that, quite frankly, were, you know, in the U.S., we have the American Speech and Hearing Association. And one of the things that really pivoted me out of that altogether, was a decision that they made to not allow things like spell to communicate or facilitated communication to be used in educational settings. And as far as I know, they had started to allow it.
[00:20:43] But when the kids could spell and have a voice, a lot of times they were saying things like, "You're not really helping. It's like, this isn't really what I need." It's like,
[00:20:55] Doc Sibson: They just didn't want to hear what they were saying.
[00:20:58] Suzy Miller: It's like, I need something else. And, you know, and it just became very obvious that the two were, had different intentions, so yeah, so let go of that.
[00:21:10] And so now I'm in this 110%.
[00:21:14] Doc Sibson: Yeah, absolutely. And that is disappointing, but not necessarily surprising based on what we know about how all of that works.
[00:21:23] Suzy Miller: Yeah, yeah, not surprising. And, you know, now it gives an opportunity because there's so many that are having, I would say, spiritual experiences with these kids or telepathic kinds of communication.
[00:21:40] It's, we're hearing about it more and more, you know, and really not just in the US, like all over the place. And it's still a small minority that's, you know, having that experience. But the cool thing is, is that it's like, now we can kind of, there's enough of us that we can start forming, um, maybe a different kind of organisation.
[00:22:05] I, I really like that idea at this point.
[00:22:08] Doc Sibson: Yeah, absolutely. Because once the numbers and the community is behind it, then, it takes on a life of its own and creates something for itself in many ways, which is a wonderful place to be in that you have so many other professionals kind of straddling both sides of that equation and, you know, being in both camps and incorporating at least awareness, if not a full kind of embracing of that approach and the unseen elements of interacting with people. It is something that I think many clinicians will do intuitively anyway, but not realise it's what they're doing.
[00:22:53] So, it's really refreshing to hear that people are starting to recognise that element and speak to others about it, and there just seems to be a little bit more openness about discussing in general the parts of our practice that are a little bit less by the book. And it's something that has stood out to me throughout my own experiences where, you know, they talk about standing at the end of the bed and just having the end-of-the-bed-o-gram about what's going on for someone.
[00:23:23] And I'm like, guys, do you know what that is? But that's talked about with zero qualms. And yet, if you talk about, you know, doing any kind of energy healing or sound therapy or anything that is less traditional, then the eye rolls can be heard across across the building.
[00:23:43] Suzy Miller: Pretty obvious. Yeah,
[00:23:45] Doc Sibson: Yeah, exactly.
[00:23:47] Well, I would love to hear more about how that's unfolding for you at the minute with the work that you're doing and what you're experiencing in your, I hesitate to say relationships, but that's exactly what it is. You know, it's a professional kind of therapeutic relationship still, isn't it? And it's something that teaches us as well, but where is that taking you at the minute?
[00:24:12] What are the expansive shifts that you're seeing in the autistic community? And the other clients that you're working with.
[00:24:21] Suzy Miller: It honestly is just amazing to me because you think like 1999 to now, it's, you know, not being able to have any conversation. And granted it was one in 10,000, thereabouts in '99, maybe a little bit more than that.
[00:24:39] Definitely in '86 it was one in 10,000. But now we're like at 1 in 36, 1 in 43, whatever you look at the statistic is. And I think just by virtue of the fact that there's more kids, we've also got more people who are interacting with these kids, who are open, who are noticing things about them that might never have been noticed before.
[00:25:09] And it's very heartwarming to know that people all over the world are kind of getting their little Riley moments, you know, they're getting those moments where they're being, um, opened. Maybe more gently, but they're, they're being opened to a connection and a communication with these kids, that if you go in from the mindset of just having that more neurotypical, linear mindset of, you know, I'm going in to quote unquote help these kids, you miss the opportunity for them to help you.
[00:25:42] You know, you miss the opportunity to actually learn from them. And so now, I mean, just within this last year, it's been just within the last couple of months, actually, it's been pretty crazy. There was, I got the opportunity to do an interview that kind of really had a very broad reaching audience. So that kind of felt like it opened things up.
[00:26:08] You know, in a beautiful way. And within that same month or so, a friend of mine named Ky Dickens, she's a director from L. A. She did a movie with a woman named Dr. Diane Powell who's, uh, research, she's a, uh, neuropsychiatrist from Harvard that used to teach there. And she started doing research around telepathy and around all kinds of things.
[00:26:37] Got let go for doing that kind of research, of course, but she is like, statistically, I mean, unbelievably statistically significant results over and over and over. And so, She and Kai did this film, and the film didn't quite get picked up, so they did a podcast. This podcast, Sarah, is like showing family after family after family of kids who are doing things like reading minds, doing things like feeling feelings of other people.
[00:27:14] Telepathic connections, healing other people, you know, it's like these kids have so many capacities that most people never even notice because they're just looking at the body, the inability to speak, and the dysregulation that's going on. When we get past that, oh my gosh, it's like, we're kind of both talking about them as kind of like spiritual savants. And I can tell you after, maybe 10 years ago, give or take 5 or 10 years ago, I had already seen 10,000 clients, over 10,000 kids on the spectrum and had worked with them.
[00:28:03] They were all telepathic. And now it's like, it's well over that at this point, you know, and I'm thinking this is a phenomenon. This is not something that needs to be looked at just as a disorder. There's much more to why these kids showed up at this time, what they're attempting to teach us.
[00:28:27] There's just a lot on the table here, and it's just exciting that now this is starting to come to the surface. I'm just getting ready to put out a newsletter tomorrow and it's kind of a call to professionals. You know, medical, educational, therapeutic professionals. It's like, okay, we know you guys have these amazing skill sets in your profession and we also know that you have these intuitive abilities or these strange experiences with the kids.
[00:29:02] Let's pair those. You know, let's put those together. Let's validate those. Let's make that, something that's actually a plus instead of a minus. And so I'm hoping that that's, you know, the next opportunity, um, and where many people are in that place of trying to move from their professional setting to working in more intuitive ways with the kids.
[00:29:32] By hook or crook, I kind of got pushed into doing that, you know, in 2010, you know, so there's a little bit of, um, I can have empathy for that space, and also hopefully be able to make it a little bit easier for people to make that jump.
[00:29:52] Doc Sibson: Absolutely, I think it can feel insurmountable when you look at something that significant in your own life and see what is easy to write off as no way forward to pair one world with the other world that you're moving into. And to have someone that has done it before and navigated it and can say, well, here's the things that worked. And here's what I would not recommend you try.
[00:30:23] And the opportunity to have more people in that space in itself is an amazing place to be in. Because I would hazard a guess that even my experience of all of this would be different to what was happening for you in 2010, and will be different again in, you know, 12 months time for the people that are having that balance to negotiate.
[00:30:50] So if we are able, as people that have moved through some of that. I mean, I'm still tied into some things because I haven't reached that tipping point myself, and I really hope that I am able to continue to move through both of these spaces and create those links so that people can see on both sides of the coin how that looks for other people, but we'll see how that unfolds
[00:31:20] Suzy Miller: Yeah, and I think, you know, I think it is much more available now to do both and,
[00:31:28] it's just that by virtue of the timing of when this all took place, it was kind of like you were either this or that. You know, I watched other people that were having some similar experiences at the same time that, you know, might put on a website that they were intuitive as well as being maybe a psychologist, and it was like, nope, you can't do that.
[00:31:52] You can't say that. It's like, I think just by virtue of the timing, it was an either or, it was more black and white then. But what I love about what's happening now is we're also getting to learn, not just in the professional realm, but we're getting to learn through facilitated communication or spell to communicate or any of those techniques. We're getting to learn from the kids themselves.
[00:32:24] Exactly what works and what doesn't work. So, you know, the first half of my experience was telepathic information. And I was like, oh, that's, you know, to a speech pathologist, it's unnerving.
[00:32:38] Doc Sibson: Have nothing to hang your hat on. You can't say, this is why.
[00:32:41] Suzy Miller: Yeah. To speak something that you're basically, you know, hearing in your head, you know, or seeing and I never really liked that, you know, that part of being the communicator for somebody who couldn't speak. And I used to always ask, like, give me, you're going to have to give me some hint that what I just said was accurate. So sometimes it would be a head nod. Sometimes it would be yes, no, you know, but I was always looking for that feedback.
[00:33:14] And then when these forms of communication started to come about, and the kids were saying what I had heard in those first, that first decade of working. I thought, "oh dear God, thank you." I didn't even know I needed that, you know, at that point. But wow, was it, and even more so now as things like podcasts, like The Telepathy Tapes and things like that are coming out, there's even more information that, you know, you, you're just working with clients one on one, day in and day out, and those are just the relationships you're building.
[00:33:57] But when it also gets to be said to a much broader audience, it's so reassuring, which is the very thing that lets me know that we're going in a really good direction with all of this. It is expanding, so.
[00:34:11] Doc Sibson: Yeah, and it also, I think, facilitates that expansion further because, people hear other people's experiences and can finally have a frame of reference for things that maybe they've, like you said before, stuffed back down into the box and just tried to ignore and not think about.
[00:34:29] And I think that gives everybody a very safe way to kind of, move into this space or dabble a little and consider how that kind of communication or difference has played out in their own professional or personal lives without really being too confronted by having to apply it, say, in a visit with a client or, you know, talking about it yourself on a podcast.
[00:34:57] You can just interact with the material and incorporate that. And I think that is a way that we're able to influence the general baseline coming up of awareness and access to people that are moving in this space in ways that we would never have had access to in '99 for sure. And, you know, even in 2010, when your decision was made to,
[00:35:26] yeah, remove all of those paperwork ties. So yeah, it is a really nice space to be in and I appreciate everyone who's being really brave and I think courageous to step out and be the people at the forefront like yourself and be visible and have the conversations that we're having to enable that for other people.
[00:35:48] So thank you for that.
[00:35:51] Suzy Miller: Thank you. It's, I think that the, the bigger picture has a way of, like, putting the right things in front of you, you know, in each step of the way, because about 10 years ago, I got, had the opportunity to work with, a Stanford emeritus professor. And he was, he's a physicist, material scientist, his name was Dr.
[00:36:15] William Tiller, but he left that at kind of the height of his career, and he went off to study intention. He was interested in how intention impacts us. So he had done a lot of that kind of work, and when he and I met, we decided we were going to do something called the Autism intention experiment.
[00:36:38] And so we used intention. And I already knew from the kids that, we're saying things to these kids all day, every day, you know, you're disordered, you're broken, you're special needs, you're, you know, you'll never amount to this, or you won't be able to do that. And, sometimes this information is being told to a parent.
[00:37:03] Sometimes it's being told directly to the child. But if we think about that, that's, that's a broadcast, that's information that's getting in and impacting, not just the, the thought process of that person, but literally right down to the physicality. You know, you tell a child they're bad over and over again, and you can literally start seeing it in their body, you know, they'll start to.
[00:37:28] So what Bill Tiller did is we created an intention where we started just broadcasting intentions, to the kids. And sure enough, we had kids that were talking, um, we had the furthest from where we were. We were broadcasting from Arizona. There was a child in Australia that was young, little at that time.
[00:37:57] And she went from no words to 20 new words in the first day we turned the intention on.
[00:38:04] Doc Sibson: Wow.
[00:38:04] Suzy Miller: So I had this opportunity to work with, PhDs that were, you know, very good at showing statistical relevance and so that brought a little bit more belief in these things.
[00:38:20] Carried us over to Dr. Diane Powell, who's doing her own version of that right now. Um, not the intention part, but you know, I mean, that statistical analysis and it's just, it just makes me smile because the kids are showing this is what we've got. This is what we've got.
[00:38:41] We just put a, an email out to all of my mailing list and to Ky Dickens' mailing list as well. Asking kids to say, you know, if we could let anybody know, all those people out there that are supporting you, if we could let them know, you know, something, what do you want them to know? And across the board, it's like, we're in here.
[00:39:07] You know, just because our bodies aren't working all that well, doesn't mean that we're not hearing everything and understanding everything. We might not be able to follow the direction. Because our bodies won't do that. But it's not that the information isn't getting in. We've got kids who speak multiple languages and can prove it.
[00:39:31] You know, we've got kids who are both spiritual savants or maybe mathematical savants And a lot of times people will say to me, Sarah, they'll say, "well, all, all the kids are not like that", And I'm kind of going, yeah, kind of, they are, you know, it's like, everybody, every one of these kids has an untapped capacity.
[00:39:55] And we're just trying to get past the challenges that their bodies present so that we can tap those capacities.
[00:40:04] Doc Sibson: Yeah, and just give us all a way to speak and understand each other better, or communicate, I should say, not necessarily speech. But just to get outside of the rigid ways of approaching an interaction so that you can benefit from
[00:40:19] that wisdom that they bring to us in their different perspectives and experiences. And I think it would be really fascinating to be able to have that flow of communication with the kids, because just imagine what you've already seen in, you know, the last 14 years with the ease of communication opening up with other tools and where we might be in another 14 years, if we're having a free flowing dialogue between people who don't interact in traditional ways or ways that as they're expected, and we really lean into all of the gifts that they have that we just aren't able to understand.
[00:41:03] Suzy Miller: To me, it just makes so much sense that, you know, if you have a blind person, that's, moving around, that blind person doesn't have sight, but very often they have a heightened sense of touch or a heightened sense of smell, you know, or they're, they can hear, you know, much better than most of us can.
[00:41:24] It makes perfect sense to me that if you have somebody who's mute or who is unableto speak, that they're going to have other capacities that we might not,we might all need to be growing into, because, most of humanity, in my humble opinion, speaks too much, myself included.
[00:41:48] Doc Sibson: I'm guilty of that, for sure.
[00:41:50] Suzy Miller: And so, it's just, meaning that, there's very little time to actually, see beyond the surface. You know, it's like, I always tell people, if you have a really great friend or a partner that you can sit in a room with and you don't even need to speak to, to enjoy, it's like you understand nuances of that person because you're not filling it up with speech,
[00:42:19] that most people would never know about that person. Yeah? And so I think that's just the very tip of the iceberg of what these kids are, um, yeah, what they're picking up.
[00:42:34] Doc Sibson: Absolutely. And that's a real relatable example of that happening with anybody that you're in a space with, let alone someone that you sit down with the intention to create that nonverbal communication with and see how it flows.
[00:42:51] It can just change the whole situation. And I think everyone can benefit from that. But the people that are there to assist and support and provide opportunities for these kids in particular, uh, would really benefit from being at least a little bit of that approach, I think.
[00:43:13] Suzy Miller: Yeah, I mean, there's something about a lot of times the kids, you know, when you interact with this many kids over this many years, it's like, you get to see the patterns that are playing out.
[00:43:26] And a lot of times the kids will say, we don't care what kind of techniques people are bringing to us. It's like, if they don't have an open heart, if they don't have a curiosity, then we're not going there. And I've watched that so many times, where one person or one person who's supporting the kids will say they can't do this, and another person goes, no, they can do all of this. One thing I really do believe is that desire to learn from them, instead of just, thinking that we're coming in as the quote unquote professionals, and we're going to do something to them, right?
[00:44:13] I've been just blown away for years, for decades now, at the capacity of these kids and some of the experiences and what they've shared, the wisdom. I had a kid once say to me, he kept saying, "I want to be a better communicator." And this was not too long ago. I want to be a better communicator.
[00:44:37] It's like, help me with that, you know, and of course, my speech pathology hat went back on for a second. I'm like, oh, that means you want to like, verbally communicate. And some kids do move from being a non speaker to a speaker. Some kids move from being a non speaker to a speller, but he just said, I want to be a better communicator.
[00:44:58] And so I said, does that mean that you want to verbally communicate? And he was, he's a speller and he spelt out, he said, you misunderstood me. He said, I want to be a better communicator. He's at the time, he was like 16 years old. He said, most people don't pay much attention to a 16 year old kid. He said, but because I'm in this body,
[00:45:25] because I have to type to get my words out, that catches people's interest. And so I want to be able to flow that information and communicate that as easily as possible, because I've already got somebody sitting there looking at me, you know, like, well, this is different. And I'm thinking, how wise is that for a 16 year old?
[00:45:49] Like, I've got this platform. And people are leaning in because I'm different anyway, let's help this flow as easily as possible. And I thought, you know, yeah, that's a level of maturity.
[00:46:01] Doc Sibson: My assumption was the same as yours. How do I express myself in a way that helps people understand me better or helps me move through the world in a way that is less friction in it, and across to his,
[00:46:16] oh, no, I really just want to take advantage of people paying attention to my situation so I can teach them things. Okay, amazing. And so what have you, speaking of the wisdom that you have been privy to by working with these kids. What kinds of, you know, the things that you see over and over, what, what are the elements that, this particular group of spiritually minded kiddos, has to offer us?
[00:46:44] What is the wisdom that they're bringing us?
[00:46:46] Suzy Miller: The very first thing that I asked when I was interacting with big groups of kids, I said, okay, guys, if I can only tell your parents one thing, you know, what is it that you want me to tell them? And they started with: know how you feel.
[00:47:04] And I thought that was really interesting. And they said, we actually don't care how our parents feel, we care that they know how they feel. Because, and what they were explaining to me is that, you know, most of us go about our lives suppressing all kinds of, different aspects of ourselves, experiences.
[00:47:28] And so we're kind of, um, not as, you might say, emotionally intelligent as we probably could be. These kids are very emotionally intelligent. I mean,they are able to see where there's an inauthenticity as far as what somebody says and what somebody feels. And I've had part of that capacity myself throughout the years, and so, it was one of the things that opened up, and I could really resonate with the fact of how frustrating it can be if you're having a conversation with somebody, and there's the verbal conversation, and then there's all this other hidden stuff.
[00:48:14] There's the way it sounds and the way it feels.
[00:48:18]
[00:48:18] Doc Sibson: Subtext.
[00:48:19] Suzy Miller: Yes, exactly. And so they were just saying, you know, it's okay to be authentic with us. It's okay to just say that this is a challenging situation. It's, it's okay to say, I don't know what I'm doing because nobody gave me a book when I had a kid diagnosed on the spectrum, right?
[00:48:41] but that was coming from a place of really helping their parents be more,heart centered towards themselves and more authentic. Yeah. So that showed up really early on. I've also, you know, had a lot of kids just say things about, like, where humanity is right now. It's like, why are we so divided?
[00:49:08] Why are we in separation? They all have said, we can't fully be here until here is the frequency of love. And, I was like, wow, what does love actually mean to you? And they would say, love is that which brings together, love is that which unifies, whether it's two parts of ourselves. Like, I like this part, but I don't like this part.
[00:49:36] You know, can we unify those? Can we bring those two together? So they talk about those kinds of things a lot. Um, they talk about their skill sets and their ability to, you know how most people will say, um, I really want my child to have a friend, or I really want my child to be able to socialise.
[00:49:59] Like a lot of the kids would say that's what the parent wants for us, because, you know, rightly so, it's like, that's what they would want for themselves. But they say, we're interacting with each other all the time. I mean, I've had so many kids say, "I telepathically communicate with a kid, you know, I'm in the U. S. and the kid's in Australia," or I'm here and they're there. And, one of the things that happened with The Telepathy Tapes is when The Telepathy Tapes came out, all these kids were talking about a place that they all kind of go to interact that's called 'the hill'. They all call it 'the hill'. And my kids, I knew that they cross- communicated beyond time and space.
[00:50:49] I knew that they were telepathic. They could connect in, but it wasn't until The Telepathy Tapes came out. I thought, "oh, my gosh, this is a mass phenomenon. They're interacting." So a lot of times when that kid is sitting on their bed and rocking or flipping something around, you know, right after they get home from school, they're kind of in that internet, you know, it's like their, their bodies again are acting in one way, but that doesn't mean they're not connecting in other ways.
[00:51:25] And it's a little, it's a little mind boggling to hear some of those things until you hear it over and over and over again. The other thing the kids have all said is that they came to support their lineages. They came to help, um, heal that lineage. And,they do that in many ways by, okay, we're not, we're not fully coming into our bodies until some of this emotional intelligence and, until some of this, uh, awareness
[00:52:03] starts to perk up. IAnd 've watched so many kids lose behaviours that were actually strategies that somebody around them was using, you know, to kind of, uh, hide a particular part of themselves that just needs to be loved, you know?
[00:52:27] Doc Sibson: Yeah, yeah, I love that. There seems to be a common thread between a lot of those elements that you're discussing, it's the unity, it's the coming together and speaking about that in a population, collective, kind of multi dimensional way, and also within ourselves, and being honest and authentic with how we move through the world and what our experience of it is, and also loving all parts of ourselves, even the parts that are not our favorite, and using that to
[00:53:01] Suzy Miller: The ones that are the hardest parts to love.
[00:53:03] Yeah.
[00:53:04] Doc Sibson: Exactly. And that's beautiful that that is the themes that I heard in all of those areas that you're sharing, and just reminds me of being in a pediatrics rotation and thinking, you know, kids are BS radars. They're not going to interact with any clinicians that they, uh, don't get the right vibes from because, you know, they can tell when you're disingenuous and saying one thing, but meaning another.
[00:53:32] And, you know, that's kids across the board, let alone kids that are really tapped into.
[00:53:36] Suzy Miller: That level of sensitivity.
[00:53:38] Doc Sibson: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's just beautiful that they're having that space, that's so fascinating that they have all identified a place that they
[00:53:49] Suzy Miller: Hang out.
[00:53:50] Doc Sibson: Communicate and hang out and spend time.
[00:53:52] And that then makes me wonder if it is these particular kids, or if it is kind of a free for all playground up there for anybody that is kind of spending time, um, decompressing and being less physical, maybe more in tune with their thoughts and their emotions and their other senses. I wonder what that landscape looks like up there.
[00:54:20] Suzy Miller: Yeah, I don't know the answer to that question, but what I do know is that as we've been looking at nonverbal, you know, non speaking spellers, that seems to be the population that talks about that particular place. Some of them don't identify it as 'the hill', as that name. Some of them will just say, no, I'm talking with my friend, or I'm, you know, I'm, I'm interacting with this person or that person.
[00:54:50] Other kids say, no, I don't go there. I don't, it's kind of like the difference between, yeah, I spend time on, social media and on the internet or whatever, and other people who just like, no I'm working on this over here, and I'm doing that. A lot of these kids are also, at least the ones that I've worked with over the years,
[00:55:12] they seem much more connected to the bigger part of them.And I would say even beyond just like a philosophical kind of experience, it's like, I've talked to kids who like, who know what they do in those spiritual realms, or who are conscious of, like, they say they're conscious of what they came here to do from the beginning, you know.
[00:55:40] It's, and to hear that, if I heard it once or twice, it's like, okay, but you hear it over and over and over again. And you're like, wow, and I asked them at one point, I was like, okay, there's a lot of you, you know, there's a lot of you coming. And they always said, we're here for, at a soul level, grant you, at a soul level, they're saying we're here as part of human evolution.
[00:56:07] We're here to, to open people up and, you know, they said, look at what's happened just by us being here. So, education has changed dramatically because of these kids being here. We no longer look at the medical professionals as the end all be all, not that, you know, it's like their research can be amazing, but we don't just take it at face value anymore because we've had all of that kind of influence and I just, everything's even parenting has changed.
[00:56:45] And what I love is watching parents over long periods of time, watching them change from somebody who was maybe more conditioned, you know, to show up in the world in a way that would be approved of and all this other stuff. You have a child diagnosed with Autism, and if you're going to get along with that child in any way, shape, or form, you start losingthat.
[00:57:14] Again, it's like the stripping away of these identities so that there's a greater depth of authenticity, you know, and so when you look at all that's happening for no other reason without them saying a thing, but just because they're here, I'm going, okay, that's part of evolution in and of itself, let alone the things that they share and say and the wild experiences that they can provide one.
[00:57:49] Doc Sibson: Yeah, just their being is a shift, isn't it? You said it is so extensive. It's on all those levels of systems and structures around us and then in our own families and relationships with each other and how that person's truth of just being themselves, because in this particular scenario, that really is what you get to be.
[00:58:16] Because, you know, those kiddos have that set of circumstances, and that really forces that hand, as opposed to their parents, where they were putting on all of those layers of expectation and who people wanted them to be and how they found it was easier to move through the world if they did things a certain way.
[00:58:35] It's the two ends of that same spectrum of how you interact with your environments and it's kind of bringing us closer together in the middle of that as a human experience rather than, you know, even just these huge thinking and, um, ideation changes. It's also that real individual personal level change too.
[00:58:59] Suzy Miller: Absolutely, and I just keep going over and over these, like, when you have these different experiences with the kids over time, you kind of, you do, it just impacts the way you see the world. And you know, Riley, way back in the day, he used to say, Suzy, there's, he said it telepathically, but he would say, "Suzy, there's the real world, and then there's your world."
[00:59:29] And I remember when he would say it, I thought, "No," it's like at the time, "I'm the pediatric speech language pathologist. You're the one that's looking at things in the sky and flapping your hands and doing strange things," you know. "Mine's the real world," and he would, like, no, and what I'm learning is that his world was a different world.
[00:59:54] His world was a world that was more connected to the unseen, not as focused on the physical. And that was more real than what, the pretenses that I had put on, you know, and, one way or another, I'll tell you, after years of working with these kids, too, they just pull those layers off. You know, it's like, you don't really,
[01:00:18] Doc Sibson: Even the sticky ones.
[01:00:21] Suzy Miller: Even the, yeah, the brutal ones.
[01:00:23] Yeah. Yeah.
[01:00:26] Doc Sibson: And I think that speaks to your willingness to open your heart and relate to them in a way that allows that too, because there are plenty of people that are holding on tight to all of their layers and it doesn't matter what happens. But that's a beautiful thing of being willing and at least, um, slightly willing to make change because change is hard, I get it, but just taking those moments of opportunity that are presented to us, and it sounds like
[01:00:56] that's what you've been doing on a daily basis since you first met Riley.
[01:01:01] Suzy Miller: Yeah, just being curious and I mean, I also say to parents all the time, I have never met a group of parents who have chosen, like, looking at it again from a more esoteric or spiritual standpoint, that I've never met a group of parents who have decided to fast track themselves spiritually as much as this population.
[01:01:29] I mean, it's brutal. I mean, it can be so challenging, you know, it's like to the human experience of, being triggered and challenged and overwhelmed and nervous systems racing, all day, every day. I don't, I don't know how they do it, and yet I'm also very aware that there is this great capacity within this population to meet that challenge.
[01:02:02] And, you know, hopefully we can make it a little bit easier for families to, to meet that challenge. And I think sometimes that starts with, everybody else says your kid has something wrong with them. It's like, can we just look at the capacity for a moment? Can we just talk about, what's there, and how amazing that is, and what we can learn from it.
[01:02:30] I think that in and of itself can lessen the stress on the family.
[01:02:38] Doc Sibson: Just the perspective shift of what you're aiming for, even in the traditional mindset and approach, and loosening those brains just a little bit, I think, allows a lot more peace for people in what is a really kind of sink or swim choice of life on a spiritual level to come into that environment, you know, as the kid and also as the people that care about them.
[01:03:05] It's, um, yeah, it's expert level, I think.
[01:03:09] Suzy Miller: It absolutely is. I am in awe, all the time, and especially as people learn some of the, as the parents or professionals learn some of these principles that the kids have been trying to get across. And, start to interact with those principles and interact with the kids in that way.
[01:03:30] I mean, something as simple as just speaking to them like a human being, looking them in the eye, even though they're not looking you in the eye, you know, it's like just acknowledging that you can see them. that you know that there's more there and you're curious how to, how to find that, how to bring that out.
[01:03:52] It's like,I don't know, I just, I feel like there's not a human being on this planet that doesn't want to be seen and heard and valued for just being here, you know, for just showing up and I think that these kids really invite people to that over and over and over. Sometimes they're banging their heads against the wall, literally trying to invite people to that.
[01:04:20] But nevertheless, it's, uh, the opportunity's there.
[01:04:25] Doc Sibson: Yeah. Yeah, what an amazing opportunity to have. Yeah. And a gift from those kids and their families. Yes, exactly. There's always, always a pair. That's the whole discussion of duality, right? It's not one without the other, but just refocusing in on the gift and the blessing side of it a little more often.
[01:04:51] I know that that may sound completely ridiculous if you're in the deep, dark depths of the hard stuff, but even just a second here or there, or, you know, a kind look, or touch, or moment is big for everybody that experiences it, and it can shape your whole trajectory if you lean into those things and spend a bit more time with them.
[01:05:17] Suzy Miller: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, quite a ride.
[01:05:22] Doc Sibson: Well, I think that's, you know, I could talk to you forever about this because it's definitely a special area of my interest. But I am mindful of your time. I want to respect that. So I usually like to wrap things up with my guests asking a particular trio of questions, and there may be some things in there that we've already really covered by the nature of our discussion, but I will just
[01:05:51] kind of bring us back in from our big, expansive thoughts and ask you without necessarily any need to explain, or define, or give, you know, um, context. What would you say are your top three truths that have transformed your experience?
[01:06:14] Suzy Miller: Number one is we're all much more than we perceive ourselves to be. So that's a truth for me. number two is probably what we were just talking about that, that everybody wants to be seen and heard and valued. And when we take that into consideration, we make greater connections, contacts. And three, what's number three?
[01:06:44] That we never know where life is going to lead us. But as long as we're open for the journey, we might have a heck of a ride.
[01:06:53] Doc Sibson: Absolutely. Well, I think that will resonate with people in different ways, but thank you very much for sharing your truth with us and being so open and honest with your experiences and helping to spread the message of the kids and their families and what they're able to help us understand simply by their being but also by their wisdom. And I would love to ask you a little bit more about what, if given the opportunity, you would say to little Suzy
[01:07:37] from your current place of expansion and understanding to help her navigate her path?
[01:07:46] Suzy Miller: I would tell her that life has all kinds of twists and turns and we can't, um, we can kind of go with that flow. We can't really determine that, you know, so just, again, I think just be open, be open for the ride. Um, it's not as scary as you think it might be. Scary, but not as scary as you might think it is.
[01:08:14] Doc Sibson: Exactly. I love that. And the last thing, which I think we really have covered in quite a lot of detail, is, what would you say the summary of the kids wisdom is for us? What's their, bold, underlined, on the blazing, um, lit up sign, message that we can help spread, um, simply by talking about it here today.
[01:08:46] I think from the kids themselves, it's what we talked about when we put out that email that came back directly from them. It's like, we're in here. We're in here. We're, we're capable. We've got all kinds of things to share with you. yeah, we're, we're capable. That's beautiful. And to meet them there instead of with all of our perceptions of it.
[01:09:09] Suzy Miller: Exactly. Yeah. That's always the truth.
[01:09:12] Doc Sibson: Oh, absolutely. well with anyone, right?
[01:09:16] Suzy Miller: Exactly.
[01:09:17] Doc Sibson: And where can people find out more about yourself and the work that you're doing and how to connect with you if they're interested to know more and kind of keep moving in the, the world that you're creating.
[01:09:31] Suzy Miller: Yeah.
[01:09:32] Um, suzymiller.com. Nice and easy, so, and I'm S-U-Z-Y, suzymiller.com. So, yeah.
[01:09:41] Doc Sibson: And anything that you'd like to highlight that's coming up for you? You know, kind of moving into the new year and plans for where you're headed?
[01:09:49] Suzy Miller: Yeah. Um, yeah, like I said, probably a direction maybe towards some of the professionals again, at this point, there's, yeah, what I found out recently is, you know, it's like, there's one of me, and there's many people who are, you know, like having all kinds of great experiences.
[01:10:09] If I can get to them. Then they can impact all of those families that they impact. And so, yeah, I think that that's kind of going to be the trajectory, at least for right now. And yeah, there's other fun things along the way. We have something called the New World Portal that I offer. That's a weekly kind of, um, it's energy work, it's consciousness work.
[01:10:35] We've got a lot of families of kids diagnosed on the spectrum in there, but we also have a lot of other folks in there as well that are just interested in consciousness and are kind of willing to, yeah, learn it in unique and different ways. So, um, so yeah, that's available too.
[01:10:55] Doc Sibson: It's beautiful. I love that it's a mixture of everybody so that we can all benefit from each other's wisdom.
[01:11:01] Suzy Miller: Yeah, for sure.
[01:11:02] Doc Sibson: Well thank you very much for your time today. I am so grateful to have spent this with you, and had the opportunity to talk about all these cool, amazing things that are really exciting and thrilling for me to talk about in general, and it's a real blessing to have another professional that is
[01:11:25] very open and changing the world through their heart instead of sticking to our old patterns. I think the more we're able to meet in the middle and create new things all together, the better off we'll be. We'll be bringing in that new world and the place that these kiddos can really flourish to. So thanks very much for being here with me today.
[01:11:52] Suzy Miller: Yeah. Thanks for having me. It was great conversation. I appreciate it.
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